unfa rambling indefinitely #04

I’m talking about my experience using LMMS and Ardour and the differences between the two. If you wonder which one is for you – this video should provide you with enough information to enable you to make an educated decision in this regard.

· Timestamps
(submissions appreciated)

· Downloads:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1CV36LEIj_H-rZlTZYMZSU1i9DtXukooj – Spreadsheet with a detailed comparison between LMMS 1.2 (RC3) and Ardour 5.12.

· Links:

http://lmms.io – LMMS’ official website
http://ardour.org – Ardour’s official website
http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Repositories – KX Studio repositories, where you can get Ardour for free for Linux

If you feel thankful and want to support what I do, you can:

http://patreon.com/unfa – donate monthly via Patreon
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Now go, make some music!


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Łukasz ;p · March 21, 2018 at 4:15 am

Helpfully vlog, thanks.

Umcaruje · March 21, 2018 at 4:48 am

The spreadsheet link is broken, looks like it was found to be violating Google's Terms of Service

Russ Barton · March 21, 2018 at 6:12 am

Love the rambling video broski 🙂

Red Xanadu · March 21, 2018 at 6:20 am

This was just the video I have been looking for! I've been wondering LMMS vs Ardour the past few weeks. Thanks for sharing your insight 🙂

Stefano Papaleo · March 21, 2018 at 6:06 pm

A video, a whole spreadsheet, and links in the description – that is commitment, mate! 😉

G Bransgrove · March 22, 2018 at 5:31 am

I know this wasn't the focus of the video, but I've tried to introduce myself to Qtractor multiple times and watched YPhil's guide on it, but it's still difficult. Same plugin compatibility as Ardour, but audio routing is a bit more limited (and really confused me at first but I'm very slowly understanding it more, I've only been using DAWs since November) and it has no latency compensation (latency from plugin processing or sending audio through bus I/Os, but this might not be significant in some cases) so the dev recommends bouncing all audio tracks separately to another program for mastering (edit: you can't bounce tracks, only buses). Its MIDI handling is meant to be much more refined but I haven't properly been able to test it yet.
Anyway. LMMS 1.2 release candidates are already a big step up for stability and functionality from previous releases, and after my next song I'm going to see if LinVST will let me use HG Fortune synths in Ardour on Linux…
Also! Have you tried LSP Linux Studio Plugins? They're an open source collection of things like dynamics processors and EQ.

Cosmic Nightshade · March 23, 2018 at 1:03 pm

Wow thanks for the video! I had no idea aurdor even existed lol

Jousboxx · March 25, 2018 at 2:01 am

I would like to point out that LMMS supports VST plugins via Wine, which is much easier than using Carla. Wine has gotten significantly better in the past couple years, so pretty much all "mainstream" plugins will run on LMMS in Linux (or windows).

Also, development for LV2 support on LMMS is in progress, but like most things in LMMS it's unclear when/if it will be done.

Jousboxx · March 25, 2018 at 3:29 am

I'm looking through your spreadsheet, and I noticed a mistake: VSTs can be automated in LMMS. If you click the wrench icon in VeSTige, it opens a window with all the controls for the VST as automatable knobs (same thing for effects). It's a nightmare UX wise, but it can be done.

matteo belve · March 30, 2018 at 5:08 am

they should work togheter under jack transport

Mario Casallas · April 11, 2018 at 1:04 am

I´m just starting and I am a designer, but I want to start creating music for my animations, which one should i use for starting? there are some things I don´t understand, too technical.

ARTOFMUSIC · May 10, 2018 at 8:19 am

I think the best daw for you is muse 3.0.2. Its the best at midi automation, although the audio side of it is slightly lacking. It supports all plugin types including vst, lvv2, ladspa and dssi. Also, it has a simple score editor built in as well.

yPhil · May 26, 2018 at 1:17 pm

IMHO The best MIDI Sequencer / DAW is Qtractor, and has been for the last 11 years. Stability, compatibility, flexibility, general sanity and overall coolness, we've got the best of both worlds, be sure to give it a spin 🙂

QuotePilgrim · May 28, 2018 at 1:48 pm

This was going to be a comment about how LMMS still did the thing you said it didn't anymore, and you just didn't test it right, but then I tested it myself, and I was wrong, they did fix the automation. I guess I was just so used to how it used to work that I never noticed when it changed.

Çevik Çelikel · June 13, 2018 at 7:39 pm

which linux distro you are using for music producing

Demonic Sweaters · June 16, 2018 at 9:16 am

I love how you did this while driving, haha

Demonic Sweaters · June 16, 2018 at 9:25 am

If anyone will have an answer to this question it's most likely you. On my Raspberry Pi 3 I'm running Ardour 5.5.0. It runs well except the Calf LV2 plugins seem to crash the program. Other LV2s work and the Calf LADSPAs run fine. Any thoughts? Also, do you have a list of recommended plugins for Ardour anywhere? I use both Ardour and Mixbus, but like the EQs, Compressors, and Limiters that come with Mixbus much better than anything I've found in the repositories for Ardour. I'd love to hear your recommendations for compressors used for buses, and what your favorite Maximizer/Limiting type plugin is that works in Ardour.

Demonic Sweaters · June 16, 2018 at 9:39 am

Also, just to touch on Qtractor. Though it it has some potential, I spent some time a few months ago working with it as well as making tutorials about it, and it still has a long way to go to catch up with Ardour, or even LMMS in some ways. Editing in it can be an outright nightmare, though the Jack integration is very well done. I started several projects in it and actually scrapped a few just because I became so frustrated with working with it.

Gennaro Giugliano · June 17, 2018 at 3:40 am

hi unfa, lmms and ardour are two different programs,but great for music productions.

pauljs75 · July 7, 2018 at 9:39 am

Bwaaap… Bwup… BwWAAaapP! Bwup… lol
(Might not hurt to re-do this topic sometime, but properly recorded.) 😉

Anyhow… Seems the RC6 release of LMMS shows some support for UI improvements. (Two or three of the LADSPA FX now have a proper graphical UI instead of a bunch of unintuitive tiny knobs.) I'm looking forward to some more progress in this, yet it seems the pace of development is still rather slow. (Not knocking the software, just wishing there was a bigger team behind it.)

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